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Help, want to start traditional

Postby F.L.A.S.H » Tue Aug 31, 2010 12:55 pm

Hi all
i would like to start shooting again, but would like to shoot traditional instead of compound because it offers a bigger challange

now my question to you is what pound should i look at, as i am fortunate enough to be able to hunt on a family farm that has an abundance on kudus (what is the recomended LB for kudu)

When i was shooting compound i had a Alphamax set at 80lb,

I would also like to know what are the better trad bows out there that are not going to break the bank

any help would be appreciated
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Postby nomad » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:24 pm

Hi Flash,

Glad to hear you want to come over to the dark side. I can't call my
self as hunter as I have yet to take an animal, but what I will say is
don't go to heavy on your first bow. I would say 45LBS is a good start.
Looking at the 80LBS compound I would hazard up to 55. (Please
remember that if your Compound was 65% let off you were only holding
28LBS while aiming and now it will be with your fingers :twisted: )

Don't think to badly on the light bows, If memory services right "tannie
wit veer" shot a Blue Wildebeest with a 42LBS setup - there was a article
in the ABH mag not long ago.

As for price I suggest you contact all the bowyer in SA like:
Johnny - www.heartwoodbows.co.za
Jaco - www.timberpoint.co.za
Derek Nourse - http://www.africanarcher.com/derek.html
Etc.

Any way I am sure there are other people on the forum who will be able
to help you with more info.

Kind Regards

Tony
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Postby Johanvn » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:26 pm

If you were comfortable with 80# on a compound I would say you can go up to a MAX of 65# longbow initially. I would recommend a 60# though. later on you might be able to go heavier BUT if you start with a heavy bow you'll struggle to develop good accuracy.
As to cost...what are your "limits"? I know quite a few bowyers and I've also shot several mass production bows. Its difficult to recommend something without some idea of budget though. Also are you definately looking for a new bow? Or would a good secondhand work?
You should be able to easily take a kudu with anything above 50# BUT you will HAVE to get out of the "speed kills" mentality. To hunt with a longbow you will need MUCH heavier arrows and decent 2 blader broadheads OR if you insist on 3 blader you'll have to stick to a magnus snuffer or woodsman elite type of heavyduty b/h (150gr+). Your effective kill range is also much closer ;)
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Postby F.L.A.S.H » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:45 am

Thanx for all the info guys,

Johan i would initialy not loke to spend over R4000 on everything (bow arrows gloves, so on), i would rather buy a better bow later, i have no problem with getting a good second hand bow

Am i being unreasonable looking at a setup of R4000 or would i be able to get a good second hand one for that price
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Postby SV MAD » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:56 am

Ek is ook baie Ge-interesseerd, sal dit like om te hoor wat sal 'n setup mens om en by kos as mens trad wil skiet, voor mens na so 2 jaar na beter opgradeer.
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Postby F.L.A.S.H » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:49 am

im very excited to start shooting again, and even more so to start shooting something that offers a biger challange
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Postby Johanvn » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:11 pm

OK... here goes I'll discuss bow alone. You're looking at about R100/arrow for a complete arrow (rough estimate, could be more or lots less depending on what you want).

I am assuming you want a LONGBOW and NOT a recurve.

You can get an o.k. brand new PSE viper (or any of the 5-6 identical clones) for about R2500 in various poundages ranging from 45-55 pounds. Its a nice looking decent shooting bow BUT are outperformed by almost any reasonable custom build bow. In fact, the first bow I built will outshoot it easily!

You can get a very decent 2nd hand custom bow for below R4000. And many of these will be AWESOME bows. But it might have someone else's name written on it. And you never know...it might have been dry fired... So look carefully for limb damage.

You can get a brand new custom bow (build for YOU) from a starting off bowyer for R4000 or less. These can be a great deal BUT you have to pick them carefully. Some might have a great looking bow, but it shoots less well. Or an awesome allrounder withsome handshock. Or it shoots great, have average finishing and you have to wait for it (my own bows ;) ) Personally I can really recommend Paul Roth's bows right now. But the price is increasing daily as they get more popular. My own are about R1000 less BUT you have to wait...and that can be a long wait if wrk get busy.

Lastly, you can get a brand new bow from one of the "masters" Derek Nourse is my favourite. I have one on order for just less than R8000 and have been waiting since january already. Jaco Wessels builds ridiculously fast bows, but I dislike the small shelf. Johnny Snyman's bows are really good looking, etc etc. In genral you're looking at R5000-R8000
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Postby Ranger » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:21 pm

Flash, I have a friend selling a 55# @28" Fred Bear Montana longbow if you would be interested?
A & H ACS CX takedown 50#@28"
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Postby F.L.A.S.H » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:25 pm

Hi ranger, would have loved to but unfortunatly have some expenses from my other hobby that i need to cover before i can think of buying a bow, so still just doing my homework
And im a 30' draw so dont think it will fit
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Postby Johanvn » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:26 pm

ALL longbows are measured at 28" btw. That is because 28" is the MAXIMUM safe distance you can draw an all wooden selfbow without causing permanent damage. modern laminated bows are less prone to damge, especially a reflex/deflex design or recurve. A 55@28 could thus be a 60# @29 if you want it to be ;)
And fucius is right... you definately loose at least 1 inch on your compound DL.
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Re: Help, want to start traditional

Postby fujimo » Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:38 pm

the measurement at 28" is merely to just create a standard- true glass bows can take some abuse- and will handle a variety of drw lengths- for wooden bows the drw length needs to be tillered in to the bow during building- so if you have a 29" draw length the bowyer will probably tiller and exercise the bow out to say 30". but just picking up a wooden bow a yarding on it, and not knowing what t was tillered for, and you exceed that WILL cause the bow some serious damage- and possibly destroy the bow. with a #50 bow after 28" expect about 3 lbs per inch ( unless of course the bow is stacking - and you dont want that) so a bow at say #50 @ 28" should on average be about#53 @ 29" or 56 @ 30 etc etc, or about 47@27"

if you go online there are a lot of used bear bows for sale at very good prices.

johann is right about starting light- i would even go further and say start with a 35lb bow- and then you always have a light bow around for wife and kids and friends to shoot- and practice in the off season with the light bow- work on form, form, form. light bows help with that.

derek builds beautiful bows!!

learn to build your own arrows- it will be way cheaper- but sure- start off by buying them!

you will easily kill a kudu with a #50 bow- i will be hunting moose this year- with a my std. #50 bow.
and johan is correct about the brioadheads- on bigger game the 2 bladers are better - get better penetration- i love my woodsman 3 bladers - but only use them on the average size deer- up to an elk size- which is about the same as a kudu. but remember african game is waaaay tougher- (bit like the s.a. people!!! :D ) than north american game- kill zones are way smaller too than n. american game.
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Re: Help, want to start traditional

Postby yanawa5678 » Tue May 10, 2016 6:36 am

if you go online there are a lot of used bear bows for sale at very good prices.

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